chrisswim
123 posts
Apr 25, 2004
6:34 PM
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Upon the suggestion of another war gamer, he suggested that we start a thread for custom built modern vechiles. So if you have built an item that no one makes, let us know of your contribution by the name of the item, please. If you would like help on a vechile, ask.... This should be a great thread for idea sharing. I look forward to reading about some great custom built vechiles.
Thank you, Chris.
Last Edited chrisswim on 29-Apr-2004 6:53 PM
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chrisswim
124 posts
Apr 25, 2004
6:42 PM
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Italian APC - VCC-80 IFV
For this one, I built it when it was a proto-type: I used CinC's Marder hull and used GHQ's turret from the MCV. What it lacks as deployed is the missle launcher on each side of the turret. Does any one have an idea for the ASCOD MICV that Spain & Austria produce?
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av8rmongo
8 posts
Apr 26, 2004
9:17 AM
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I've worked out a conversion for a workable German Weisel recon tank with 20mm gun. Still working on conversions for the other variants with TOW, stinger etc.
It starts with the Vickers Mk VIB WWII light tank from the other guys. The turrets are saved for other projects. File off the rivets and the hump on the front to smooth out the slope. I use a nail clipper to flatten the aft hull structure. Next glue thin plastic sheet cut to fit to smooth out the hull sides. Finally, add a suitable 20mm turret. I think I used one from CinC's 113CA26 recon vehicles but I'll have to double check that. To finish it off I added jerry cans, tarp rolls, ammo cans and other bits and pieces to flesh it out.
Paul
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Mister Furious
2 posts
Apr 26, 2004
8:05 PM
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I have crafted several but I'll start with the German Skorpion mine layer. Used a cut-down and reshaped M548 tracked cargo vehicle and 6 spare stinger pods. Recently finished a Spoon Rest D EW radar with a CinC Thin Skin Height Finder radar truck. I sued sheets of 3M grill scour pads to make the dipoles. I customized the CinC MH-60 Pavehawk by adding a color-weather radar and FLIR bal to the nose. Working on adding the plume detectors and engine baffles. A quick job can be done to create the Challenger 2s the UK used in S. Iraq. Simply take the GHQ Challenger 1Mk2 hull and slap the Challenger 2 turret onto it. You can also remove the fuel drums from the original Challenger 2 hulls and fix them onto the Challenger 1 Mk2. Cut small thin strips of paper to glue just below the armored skirt. The UK did this to prevent mud and debris from clogging the road wheels and drive sproket and especially to try to minimze dust. They looked like low riders or hover-tanks! Mixed a Leopard 1 hull and an M60 AVLB span to make a Biber. No brainer.
Last Edited Mister Furious on 26-Apr-2004 8:06 PM
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mick32211
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Apr 26, 2004
10:07 PM
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Hummv tow truck;
For towing the light stuff: use the hummv open back, soft top, 2 stinger pods off of the avenger, and a 75 mm or pack gun (ww2). Put the pods on each side in the back, and the gun in the center, You can add what ever you like for the cable, but make it thin and close to the boom, for the hook use a piece of any parts rack that you can work on.
I didn't want to mess up my C-inC stuff, so I used the other guys stuff.
If you want a larger boom, use a larger caliber gun.
Be Good and Be Safe. Mick
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redleg
13 posts
Apr 27, 2004
9:17 AM
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I'm not much of a modeler, but I'd like to make a Q-36 and Q-37 radar. Anybody got any bright ideas on how to pull it off?
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av8rmongo
9 posts
Apr 27, 2004
1:21 PM
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redleg,
I've never done this conversion and everything is eyeball calibrated from internet pictures but here is how I would do it....Using the pictures of the AN/TPQ-36 found on this site (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/an-tpq-36.htm) I think you have two choices in how to tackle this. Both require purchases from the "Other Guys" unless CinC has something I haven't seen.
Option one:
Use the cargo trailer from (http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n120.html) as your base. Personally, judging from the picture, I think this is closer to the right size.
1. Get some sheet styrene (Evergreen is a good company with a wide variety of products) and cut small rectangular pieces to close off the sides of the "fender box". You'll have to figure out which thickness of plastic sheet to use. Thinner is easier. Once you've cut these pieces glue them in place with CA glue (crazy glue). Don't worry about closing the top of the box, from the pictures it appears to me to be an open space.
2. For the support legs to stabilize the trailer I would use small diameter plastic rods from Evergreen glued to the corners of the trailer. You could also use metal legs trimmed from other models but nothing specific jumps to mind.
3. For the radar base I would use the Air conditioner unit used with the M-577A1. But don't glue it on yet. Slightly file down one end at an angle where the phased array will be attached. Don't file too much, the pictures I've seen show almost a 90 degree angle. This just makes it easier to attach the radar.
4. Back to the sheet styrene for the actual phased array. Mark out a rectangle the same width as the A/C unit and slightly longer (about 1/3 more). Cut this section out. If you want more detail you can etch lines for the three array sections and add a plastic piece on the side and bottom for the IFF system.
5. Now you can glue the A/C unit from the M-577A1 to the "fender box". Make sure you glue it detail side down so the plain surface is showing.
6. Now glue the radar array on to the area where you filed down the A/C unit.
Your An/TPQ-36 should now be done. If you have bits and pieces laying around add a couple rolled tarps to the flat trailer bed in front and behind the "fender box" and paint.
Option Two:
Use the trailer from (http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n147.html) as the base. If you go this route you'll have to construct a base around the fender area.
1. Use a file or maybe an exacto knife to remove the metal down to a level even with the top of the fenders.
2. Next trim the metal at the front and back of the trailer down to the level of the base of the trailer. Leave the sides of the trailer intact in the area adjacent to the fenders, this will form the base upon which the radar will be placed.
3. Get some sheet styrene (Evergreen is a good company with a wide variety of products) and cut small rectangular pieces to close off the ends of the remaining "fender box" I mentioned above. You'll have to figure out which thickness of plastic sheet to use. Thinner is easier. Once you've cut these pieces glue them in place with CA glue (crazy glue). Don't worry about closing the top of the box, from the pictures it appears to me to be an open space.
The rest is as described above. The AN/TPQ-37 looks like it will require a conversion from a truck chasis but the same methods should apply. If you do this conversion I would really like to see how it turns out. I'm tempted to do it myself. Paul
Last Edited av8rmongo on 27-Apr-2004 1:31 PM
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av8rmongo
10 posts
Apr 27, 2004
1:37 PM
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Mister Furious,
Could you give a more detailed process for your Skorpion Mine layer? Do you have any picturesof your finished product or any reference pictures you used?Paul
Last Edited av8rmongo on 27-Apr-2004 1:39 PM
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fulcrum
43 posts
Apr 27, 2004
6:01 PM
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These are 3 of the one's I've made for my collection... The Machbet ... M163 Vulcan with a quad AA missle launcher mounted on the side of the hull (I used a CnC vulcan and a spare GHQ M1097 AVENGER HUMMV launcher)Added and shaved down a bit and you have a great looking Israeli AA/Sam unit The HQ-2B.... which is a Chinese Track mounted SA-2 missle( I used the great looking CnC SA-2 and mounted it on a Scotia Sa-4 Hull) The 2S23.... which is a Russian BTR-80 (GHQ) mounted with a spare 2S9 S0-120 Self-propelled Mortar turret from CnC If you want to see a picture just email me at rick@ omnicast.net( Put CnC in your subject area..lots of junk mail) And I'll send them to you Rick
Last Edited fulcrum on 10-Jun-2004 9:40 AM
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redleg
14 posts
Apr 28, 2004
10:49 AM
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Paul,thanks for the advice. I think I'll give it a shot, but I don't think I have the mad skills to win any awards. I'm in Iraq so it will take a while to get all the stuff through the mail, but I'll snap some digital photos of it when it's all done and send them to anyone interested in the radars. -Mike
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Marine Corps Daddy
14 posts
Apr 28, 2004
10:32 PM
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I have made an LAV-AD and a C-17 Globemaster III Semper Fi P.S. I mean no offence but i'm not into this guy that guy or the other thing, i'm into my collection and how to make it the best as I hope we all are.
Last Edited Marine Corps Daddy on 28-Apr-2004 10:34 PM
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chrisswim
126 posts
Apr 29, 2004
6:55 PM
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Marine Corp Daddy:
What did you do to make the LAV-AD, & for the C-17? What components did you use and changes did you make if any? Thank you.
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roger houston
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Apr 30, 2004
7:55 AM
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I know its the other guys stuff, but I had a real sucess at building a M-923 5ton electronic shelter carrier and 5 ton M-920 series dump truck using the GHQ 5 ton M-920 series wrecker.
1) For the ESC, I took the bed of the GHQ cargo HEMETT and placed it on the frame of the wrecker (minus the wrecker base portion and crane). What you end up with is a long bed 5 ton essentially. I then went through my spare 1/35 scale excess parts box and found an ammo box(from the Italeri Modern Accessories kit) and placed it in the bed just aft of the cab. I also placed a couple of extra generator sets (from the GHQ M-577 pack, although CinC should work as well) up above the cab section and thus you have a 5 ton commo wagon.
2) For the dump truck, I did the same thing with the Hemett bed, but trimmed it back to the end of the chassis. With s piece of sheet styrene, I fabricated a "roof" for the dump bed over the cab. Throw a couple of tarp rolls or jerry cans up on the top and you have a pretty darn convincing 5 ton dump for the engineers.
3 The excess Hemett chassis that dont have a bed now are mated with the M-15 trailer from the Dragon Wagon kit and you have a heavy engineer lowboy/transporter like the Marines are using over Iraq. I just wish CinC would produce a modern D-7 dozer instead of those converted Stalinetz tractors I have to use for engineer dozers
4) While on the subject of dozers, I also made a DEUCE using the chassis of a CinC AMX 13, the recoil blade fom a GHQ M-40 SPH and a spare small ammo box from my model parts box. Looks pretty close to the real thing.
Thats my 2cents worth!
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roger houston
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Apr 30, 2004
8:08 AM
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By the way, Mr Furious, the Biber can be a bit more realistic, now they have a Wolverine out there. The M-60 AVLB bridge looks pretty good on a T-55 chassis too.
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Marine Corps Daddy
15 posts
May 03, 2004
4:57 PM
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THIS IS FOR CRISSWIM THE LAV-AD OF COURSE I USED A LAV FROM GHQ OR CNC SAME SAME AND USED THE MISSLE PODS FROM THE GHQ AVENGER THE TURRET I MADE FROM PLASTIC BECAUSE THE WAS NOTHING THAT MATCHED THE PHOTOS I HAD THE C-17 I MADE FROM AN AIRLINER FROM 1/300 SCALE IF YOU WANT PICS LET ME KNOW AT DALLASDODGER@aol.com Semper Fi
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Mick
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May 04, 2004
7:52 AM
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I did the same thing with some Lavs and M-2\a2's. The avenger system will work on just about any hull you choose.
Mick
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Mick
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May 04, 2004
7:53 AM
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GHQ has the ACE engineer Vehicle, so you can replace those russian tractors. mick
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roger houston
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May 04, 2004
11:41 AM
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I got plenty of ACE's. Not all engineer units have them though. The D-7's and D-8's the army has now have armored plated cabs and rock rippers.
I also built a 5 ton asphalt distributer using the same method as those trucks I did above. I used a Hemett tanker body and sliced the "slanted" portion out. I turned the body so the "box" was to the rear and placed a flat strip beneath the box to simulate a spray strip.
I also built an FV432 Ranger Barlayer using a standard FV432 and adding piece of styrene at the rear hatch for the base. Then I took an extra launcher from an old SA-13 model and turned it up at an angle on the base. Looks pretty close to the Ranger after it gets painted and "dusted"
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Marine Corps Daddy
16 posts
May 05, 2004
2:18 PM
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this is for mick i was in a LAAD battalion and the turrets on the LAV-AD are different from the ones on the avengers they are lower profile if you want pics let me know. Semper Fi
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fulcrum
44 posts
May 05, 2004
5:02 PM
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Marine Corps Daddy
Any chance I could get a few snap shots of your MODS (LAV-AD) or any others you may have made..
Thanks Rick rick@omnicast.net (put "CNC" in your subject area if you could)
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mick
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May 05, 2004
11:19 PM
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To Marine Corps Daddy.
Yes, I would like to see the pictures of the figs. Thanks for the offer. Mick
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Classic
1 post
May 06, 2004
6:48 AM
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Korean Kifv. Ghq YPR-765 and a gun shield from Ghq M113A3 or from CinC M113A2. Although when contacted, GHQ asked a $1 for each turret(cupola) :(
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n100.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n70.html OR http://www.pfc-cinc.shoppingcartsplus.com/catalog/item/304002/67296.htm I also put together a Korean M-48 with side skirts by photo copying and reducing a Janes IFV recognition book onto translucent (OHP) material. Then cut out the skirt and scored the plastic to show the different plates. The M-48 is just missing the big searchlight. Keith
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ROGER HOUSTON
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May 06, 2004
7:36 AM
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The M-48 light is easy. I trimmed the one from the M-728 CEV turret and put it on my M-48A3 turret. The CEV dozer blades can be trimmed off pretty clean also and used on the 48.
For some reason, I got a bunch of M-728 CEV because of the ratio to the pack with the AVLB's from GHQ.
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Bob_Mackenzie
18 posts
May 06, 2004
4:14 PM
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Gents You can see some of mine: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bob_mackenzie/ Click "converting" on the menu. The best accounts are towards the bottom BTW I think you are all very brave hacking around GHQ, I could't bare to play around with anything that expensive :-) Cheep British micro feels so much safer! BTW2 Scotia will sell turret separate at reasonable prices Cheers Bob
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Mister Furious
4 posts
May 09, 2004
5:26 PM
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Bob ? What a great web site you have. The CV90 is my favorite vehicle family. The website you mention does not offer modern vehicles that I can see. I know that Brad and Randy have been following the postings for what we'd like to see. The CV-90 base offers a number of models that would suit the "what if" gamers. I also saw that they have some new Israeli stuff. Cool. Mr. Furious
Last Edited Mister Furious on 12-May-2004 7:29 AM
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JasonAfrika
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May 14, 2004
11:53 PM
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I love CinC's modern trucks (especially the Russian ones)because they are open-topped, unlike GHQ. So you can drop a ZU-23/2 in the back of a GAZ-66(Ghq does make these now-but I have been doing this for years) or a 37mmAA-the CinC British 40mm AA will do just fine-into the back of a Ural truck. I have scoured books, magazines, & the web for years to find photos of "technicals" which are basically homemade weapons systems, usually mating a civilian truck with a light AA weapon the dual 23mm, dual and quad HMGs, and heavy recoiless rifles(Russian 107mm B-11) being the most common. Light AA weapons have proven extremely effective in low-tech wars(see Iraqi use in the Iran-Iraq war) and the Soviet-Russian experience in Afghanistan & Chechnya)I have even seen a 76mm or 85mm AT gun mounted on the back of a heavy Berliot flat-bed in Somalia(I made a copy of it in micro)-I have been pushing the guys at GHQ for years to produce a Third World line and finally last year they started-their BMP-2/ZU-23/2 is great & it is popular all over the Third World. I hope CinC will do the same or at least produce some open-topped light trucks-Toyotas,ACMATs, etc. so we can modify them on our own.
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chrisswim
157 posts
Jun 01, 2004
6:34 PM
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Have you ever wanted to have your modern Bulgarian Army forces wish to take ground from Greece, former Yugoslavia, Romania, or Turkey? And then you found yourself not having the Infantry Combat Vehicles needed...what is a commander to do? Well, the solution is to have some BMP 23's and BMP 30's ready for deployment. Ask CinC to provide 40 hulls of the Soviet/Russian 2S1 122mm self-propelled gun (M1974) and pair those hulls up with the BMP Recon turret CinC sells: BMP 23's are ready to deploy. For the BMP 30: use the hull of the 2S1-122 SPG and the CinC's BMP 2 turret. Check with Jane's Tanks & Combat Vehicles Recognition Guide by Christopher Foss. So, who is ready to attack my 'elite' Bulgarian Defence Force?
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Bob_Mackenzie
19 posts
Jun 03, 2004
11:56 PM
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Dear Mr Furious There are some modern conversions on my site - the Type89 SPG and Type 88 SPAAG. But they are mostly WW2 as thats what I'm mostly playing ATM Thanks for the nice comments :-) Cheers Bob
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av8rmongo
12 posts
Jun 10, 2004
9:00 AM
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redleg,
I kitbashed one of the AN/TPQ-36 radars using the procedures I described. While it would never succeed as a commercial venture it looks pretty good for tabletop gaming. If you would like a digital pic contact me at paul.kopplin@navy.mil. It may take me a few days to track down a digital camera.
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fulcrum
51 posts
Jun 10, 2004
9:36 AM
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Hey Chris.... Came across this on another site... Nice looking (in Spanish) site for making a VENEZUELAN force. Look under the area "Blindados " for some vehicle pictures http://www.fav-club.com/ejercito.htm
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chrisswim
162 posts
Jun 11, 2004
12:05 PM
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Fulcum: on the Machbet...M163 Vulcan & quad AA missle, where/which side did you place the missle? How far back? Is is angled forward? Is there any radar/dection system? Anyone:
Does any one have an idea for the ASCOD MICV that Spain & Austria produce? I would like to make some. Also, what APC is Poland now using? They are using the Leopard 2, and I wish to upgrade their forces for deployment....
Last Edited chrisswim on 11-Jun-2004 12:20 PM
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fulcrum
52 posts
Jun 12, 2004
11:16 AM
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Chris .......give me your email and I'll send you a picture of the "Homemade ones" and the real ones Rick
Last Edited fulcrum on 13-Jun-2004 9:02 PM
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redleg
16 posts
Jun 13, 2004
4:29 AM
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Chris, my S2 guys tell me that Poland is still using BTR-60s, OT-64s, and MT-LBs. Nothing new for the infantry so far. Leopard I for Poland is listed as “105mm-120mm” – whatever that means. I’m still checking on the other vehicle you were interested in. Send me an e-mail because I usually can’t get into this website from here.
Michael.d.pope@us.army.mil
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Anonymous
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Jun 13, 2004
5:03 PM
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fulcum:
ams2269@earthlink.net
thank you,chris
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fulcrum
53 posts
Jun 13, 2004
8:47 PM
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Chris Sent it out.... tell me what you think
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Steel Arrows
5 posts
Jun 16, 2004
2:17 AM
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To Chris and Fulcrum, Poland currently is using German Leo-2A4 as part of inventory. For ICV and IFV modified BMP-1s with Overhead Weapons systems are to be produced with design aid from the Ukrainian military industries. I have photos from some Russian websites that I run across now and then. For those who are wondering about what is happening to most of the production Leo-1 series. They are being puchased by a couple of South American military. Argentina, Brazil, and Chile. many of these are purchased from Belgium, Austria, Germany, Italy, and Netherlands. If you desire photos I can send you photos. Just post your e-mail addresses and I will send them to individually.
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chrisswim
164 posts
Jun 16, 2004
7:44 PM
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Steel Arrows,
The Leopard 1's in a good update for me. Thank you, if you have pics, send them to the above. thank you, chris
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Steel Arrows
6 posts
Jun 16, 2004
10:18 PM
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Chris, Hope the photos can help with your data needs. I also have other South American military vehicles on file. I am currently creating Central American armies as well as for South America. There are some interestng political occurances down south you may find fun. Steel
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rat of tobruk
2 posts
Jun 22, 2004
4:45 AM
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I have been crossing my fingers that someone out there will make an Anzac Class frigate for Gulf War senerios. Any chance we might see one made in the furture?
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BigGreen
6 posts
Jul 04, 2004
7:51 PM
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I modified the UH-1D/H into an UH-1N. Actually it is a model of the UH-1N but with the wrong nose. It has the twin engine configuration found on the "N" model. The way I modified it was to take a 2 part clear resin and dab the nose as it set to aquire the proper pofile. After the resin set I painted as usual. I also added .50 cal door guns.
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av8rmongo
55 posts
Apr 14, 2005
10:00 AM
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I resurrected this thread to reopen discussion of kitbashing new variants of modern vehicles. Lately I've been concentrating on German vehicles. I've made the Hummel (radio jamming), RASIT (ground surveillance radar) and Pioneer variants of the TPz-1 and the Skorpion minelayer. If anyone wants pics or directions let me know. The Skorpion was started based on Mister Furious's input from a year ago. I used the CinC Chapparal vehicle as the basic vehicle instead of the M-548. I don't think it makes any difference which hull you choose. My choice was influenced by the GHQ M-548s which are cast as one piece, I didn't know that CinC is making M-548s in three pieces (hull, crew cab and cargo top) at the time when I placed my order. The other thing I changed from his example was substituting the GHQ GAZ66 type 63 MLR rocket launchers for the stinger pods he talked about. Next up is the HELAS DF (Direction Finding) variant of the TPz-1. Paul
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Wraith
18 posts
Apr 20, 2005
9:42 PM
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Hope some one can help. I'm looking into making the Krauss-Maffei Wildcat. I have 3 books that talk about the beastie, but can't find any information or pictures on the net. The Gepard turret is too large so I'll probably have to create one. Thanks for any info. BTW, I remember that one of the selling points of the Gepard turret was the ability to mount it on just about anything. That's another dead end, anyone know if it was placed on other chassis?
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fulcrum
76 posts
Apr 20, 2005
10:19 PM
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These are 3 of the one's I've made for my collection... The Machbet ... M163 Vulcan with a quad AA missle launcher mounted on the side of the hull (I used a CnC vulcan and a spare GHQ M1097 AVENGER HUMMV launcher)Added and shaved down a bit and you have a great looking Israeli AA/Sam unit The HQ-2B.... which is a Chinese Track mounted SA-2 missle( I used the great looking CnC SA-2 and mounted it on a Scotia Sa-4 Hull) The 2S23.... which is a Russian BTR-80 (GHQ) mounted with a spare 2S9 S0-120 Self-propelled Mortar turret from CnC Also have An outstanding C-17... Done Steve Segura
"Marine Corps Daddy" ----------
Rick www.redrick.net
Micro Armor Page I have the pictures posted on my website under homebuilt and others photo's...If any one would like to post a photo drop me a line (from the websites email) Rick
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Pat Callahan
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Apr 22, 2005
6:36 AM
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Paul -- I would love to see your Skorpion minelayer and your TPZ1 Pioneer panzer. Drop me a line at ferret701 at yahoo.com. I bough CinC M548s for the project two weeks ago, but have not yet had time to start. I have also just completed a set of masters for converting a CinC/GHQ Fuchs to Pioneer Panzer. I am looking to pour the mold for them today or tomorrow. As for custom items, I have working on casting custom accessories for micro armor. Basically, I make the masters, create a silicone mold, and cast them in Alumilite resin. Full details and many pictures on my site, www.microarmormayhem.com. I am also working on a master for parts to convert an MLRS to an M4. Pat Callahan
www.microarmormayhem.com
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av8rmongo
59 posts
Apr 22, 2005
8:52 AM
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Pat, The pictures of the Skorpion are on the way. I'll take pictures of the TPz-1 Pioneer panzer this weekend. I'm thinking of getting into resin casting for packs and tarps and that sort of thing and would like to hear about your experiences. Paul
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chrisswim
284 posts
May 09, 2005
11:43 PM
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AV8
Thank you, any other conversions? Does any one else have a special piece that they have worked on?
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Wraith
20 posts
May 10, 2005
9:48 PM
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Found out that the Wildcat project was cancelled. Made it anyhow using the turret from CinC's Gepard and their Fuchs. Had to trim the turret quite a bit, but it'll due. The gun housings do not match the picture, but that's a later project. Made General Dyanmics 120S (M60-2000) using the hulls from CinC's M60A3 and the turrets from their M1A1s. Added side skirts. Took 2 of the left over Abrams hulls and made Panthers. Now . . . What to do with the other 6, maybe bridgelayers?
Last Edited Wraith on 14-May-2005 7:32 AM
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fulcrum
82 posts
May 11, 2005
9:02 AM
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Hey do you have any photo's of those conversions ?? I alway thought of doing a "wildcat myself".. wasn't there some sort of Gepard turret on a T-55/T-72 hull ??
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Rickwww.redrick.net
Micro Armor Page
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Wraith
21 posts
May 11, 2005
5:28 PM
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Heard rumor of one, but haven't been able to find the data again. They also hinted at a Abrams/Gepard hybrid.
Last Edited Wraith on 14-May-2005 7:33 AM
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fulcrum
83 posts
May 13, 2005
8:33 AM
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"Took 2 of the left over Abrams hulls and made Panthers."
Hey those where some great photo's you sent mind if I post them on my site? How would you like the credit to read on them?
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Rick
www.redrick.net
Micro Armor Page
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